Curse

Konig Des Todes · Jun 10, 2008, 09:43 AM // 09:43

If your opening this to expect a "research" thread like my past few threads. Your wrong. This is a "Here are some things I've noticed and my opinions, what are your opinions of these?" thread.

There are three things I have noticed regarding Ascalon that I have been puzzled on recently.

Ascalon and Dragons
While questing on my new necro, I noticed something I didn't before. I saw a Dragon design on a ruined arch.
Here is a picture of the arch:

And close up at the dragon:

This alone, probably has no significance. However, knowing that there is a "Dragon Heads" Mural that is in Ashford Abby in pre, and the Isle of the Dead for Post (Keep in mind that the Isle of the Dead is based to look like Ascalon).
Here is a Picture:

There is also the Primodus Stained Painting that is in Gwen's Story for the BMP.
Primordus Picture:

And to add on to that, the Forgotten Mural looks like it's been influenced by a dragon (at least to me), albeit a chinese-style dragon.
Forgotten Mural Picture:

Although this could be irrelevant, i would also like to add there are gargoyle statues in Pre-Ascalon and in Gwen's Story that have a draconic look to them.

I know that the dragon designs in Ascalon cannot have a connection to the Ancient Dragons, and I know that the BMP, and EN Dungeons, use tons of Concept Art. But what I'm wondering, is if there is a connection between Ascalon and the Ancient Dragons? There might not have been one when Prophecies was made, but what if ANet is adding a connection through the only way possible, the BMP. What are your thoughts on this?

Affect from the Searing
I know that the searing burned most of the plants (not all as there are plants with leaves around in ascalon), and that it left huge crystals everywhere. But recently while vanquishing the Flame Temple Corridor, I noticed something that could just be "odd." What I noticed, is that lightning struck the same exact place countless times. Now I will say that, aside from the Magic aspect, Physics does affect the game like it does the real world, as it has been proven in GWO (can't recall where exactly but it does and all the "big researchers" over there say it does as well).

It is possible to have lightning strike random places (as it does in at least Old Ascalon, same way there are random Meteors in Hell's Pricipice), so why have it strike the same place within seconds?
Here are some pictures:

I personally, am completely baffled at this and have no clue what to say the reason is. So I'm asking your thoughts, my dear contemporaries.

Unknown Mural in Gwen's Story
This part is reletivly quick to ask and explain. While doing the Gwen's Story mission in the BMP recently, I noticed this hard to spot Mural above a doorway. So I'm wondering what it is, if anyone knows.
Here is the Mural:

Weird Markings
Lastly, I must ask if anyone has any clue what these things would be:

At first, and for a nice long time, I figured them to be grave markings, or tombstones if you will. I figured this because they are at the graveyard in the Surmia mission. That sounded logical to me until I noticed this unusual one in Grendich Courthouse.

So now I'm wondering what these things are (again) and now why this one isn't "working" like the others.

So my questions for you, readers, are:
1) Is it possible that ANet is adding some connection to the Ancient Dragons and Ascalon, even though Ascalon is taken over by the Charr in GW2?

2) Why is the lightning in this picture only striking that one spot, within seconds of the previous strike?

3) What is that Mural?

4) What is this and why isn't this one not "working?"

Your answers are all welcomed.

Rothan Celt · Jun 10, 2008, 09:45 AM // 09:45

ever considered there just there cus they is pretty

Personaly i dnt think about it

oliverrr1989 · Jun 10, 2008, 09:58 AM // 09:58

Yeah, no offence but I think you're looking way to much into this. Those things are probably just there to look pretty and use up nice concept arts. As for the lightning thing, I'd guess it's just lazy scripting.

Konig Des Todes · Jun 10, 2008, 10:28 AM // 10:28

Probably looking way to much into the dragon idea, and the lightning is probably lazy scripting (or they thought it would look nice).

However, the question still stand of what that mural is that I don't know. And what those things are as well. I don't think they would just add in several cubic-like items that glow, then purposely add in one that doesn't.

But hey, where is the fun in just saying "They put it all in because it looks nice." I can tell you that I don't find any.

ajc2123 · Jun 10, 2008, 10:44 AM // 10:44

The meteors also strike in the same place too so.....yea.....

Rothan Celt · Jun 10, 2008, 11:26 AM // 11:26

I would like to point out it just occurred to me about Fiery Dragon Swords

there’s something to think about as well. Why would Ascalon Royalty (Prince Rurick and his papa) wield swords called Firey DRAGON swords?

Just somthing more to think about that you did not mention

Konig Des Todes · Jun 10, 2008, 11:35 AM // 11:35

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Originally Posted by ajc2123

The meteors also strike in the same place too so.....yea.....

well, there has to be a limit to what locations the meteors hit, but I meant they don't all strike one specific spot within seconds (with that spot being scenery). In Old Ascalon, near the Grawl area south of the sanatarium, you can sometimes get hit by a random Invoke Lightning skill that works the same as Meteor in Hell's Precipice.

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Originally Posted by Rothan Celt

I would like to point out it just occurred to me about Fiery Dragon Swords

there’s something to think about as well. Why would Ascalon Royalty (Prince Rurick and his papa) wield swords called Firey DRAGON swords?

Just somthing more to think about that you did not mention

It seems I forgot about that. And its more then just Adelbern and Rurik, the Royal Guards also carry them. Yet another Dragon reference in Ascalon.

You know, there is a limit to how many events that are similar for it still to be "coincidence."

Pesi · Jun 10, 2008, 12:19 PM // 12:19

The lightning always hit the highest top it is in range of, where it strikes depends on where the thunderstorm is heading i suppose.
(in this case, the tower is the highest possible top near the thunderstorm so thats problably why it gets stroke all the time.) tho its weird that the thunderstorm aint there, just bright blue.. no wait- purple sky.

The unknown picture, looks to me like a vanguard warrior.

ApocalypseAzza · Jun 10, 2008, 12:26 PM // 12:26

Answer: they put these things in without too much thought. I dont think everything has an answer, because its just a game, they dot things about and stuff that looks cool... you cant look too deeply into it. 'oh why is that tree dead, yet magically the tree next to it is alive, is that tree a sylvia' no. its just there like that.

Ubin4 · Jun 10, 2008, 02:35 PM // 14:35

if u notice on the glowing stones the symbol sorta looks like a dragon, u can see its head in the middle of it.

Enagan · Jun 10, 2008, 03:10 PM // 15:10

""It seems I forgot about that. And its more then just Adelbern and Rurik, the Royal Guards also carry them. Yet another Dragon reference in Ascalon.

You know, there is a limit to how many events that are similar for it still to be "coincidence."""

Hate to burst your bubbles (no I don't) but Rurik's and Adelbern's swords are not fiery dragon swords, they are legendary swords bythe names of Sohothin (Rurik's) and Magdaer (Adelbern's)

Elena · Jun 10, 2008, 03:31 PM // 15:31

legendary swords huh

but they look yust the same like any other fiery dragon swords

as for the tombstones it might be possible that the effect on them was caused by the curse laid on the tome , when removed the fallen soldiers rise from there grave and become hostile to anyone

Rothan Celt · Jun 10, 2008, 03:41 PM // 15:41

At the end of the day ITS A GAME!!!!
Just play the game lol

Free Runner · Jun 10, 2008, 05:05 PM // 17:05

I suggest everyone going into a lore forum saying "ITS JUST A GAME" like the poster above, take their +1 post counts someplace else.

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Originally Posted by Azazel The Assassin

1) Is it possible that ANet is adding some connection to the Ancient Dragons and Ascalon, even though Ascalon is taken over by the Charr in GW2?

Anet from the looks of it like to add dragon references everywere. In fact its possible the whole Ancient Dragons idea is a former story plot for Prophecies that is being developed into something bigger. Evidence for this could be the original trailer which featured the Ascalon Heroes encountering a dragon in flight and also the many dragon pictures (The mysterious stones in The Wilds, the many wall pictures and the concept art). While they probably had not thought of putting sleeping powerful dragons in they most likely wanted to include dragons alot more than they did.

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2) Why is the lightning in this picture only striking that one spot, within seconds of the previous strike?

I dont think there is much explanation for this. Its one of those "lets put it in for an effect" things.

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3) What is that Mural?

Random concept art of a warrior. I have seen it in the collectors edition artwork. There are more images like it in there which seem to be depicting a fighter in armour. If you want to go into Murals i would be asking who the man in red is in the picture below (has your mural in there aswell)

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4) What is this and why isn't this one not "working?"

Now this is like one of the objects i mentioned before. The mysterious lopsided stones which have pictures on them. The ones i mentioned are blue and feature three symbols on them, one of which is a dragon. What they are and why there are some not working is a mystery.

Spike Stritter · Jun 10, 2008, 06:04 PM // 18:04

Wow I cant believe no one thought of this.

Warning: some of this stuff is spoilers to the story to EOTN

I think all those dragon symbols are maybe like warnings or phrophecies or something about the "greatest threat in all of Tyria" or whatever ogden says in his benediction. After doing research (looking 1 thing up

) this is Primordus one of the ancient dragons. maybe they were telling of his arrive in Tyria. Again this is only my opinion as i have absolutely no proof of this.

some-_1 · Jun 10, 2008, 06:47 PM // 18:47

Perhaps the people of Ascalon saw these Dragons as Demigods maybe?

Konig Des Todes · Jun 10, 2008, 09:59 PM // 21:59

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Originally Posted by Free Runner

I suggest everyone going into a lore forum saying "ITS JUST A GAME" like the poster above, take their +1 post counts someplace else.

Anet from the looks of it like to add dragon references everywere. In fact its possible the whole Ancient Dragons idea is a former story plot for Prophecies that is being developed into something bigger. Evidence for this could be the original trailer which featured the Ascalon Heroes encountering a dragon in flight and also the many dragon pictures (The mysterious stones in The Wilds, the many wall pictures and the concept art). While they probably had not thought of putting sleeping powerful dragons in they most likely wanted to include dragons alot more than they did.

I dont think there is much explanation for this. Its one of those "lets put it in for an effect" things.

Random concept art of a warrior. I have seen it in the collectors edition artwork. There are more images like it in there which seem to be depicting a fighter in armour. If you want to go into Murals i would be asking who the man in red is in the picture below (has your mural in there aswell)

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a2...ScrollHall.jpg

Now this is like one of the objects i mentioned before. The mysterious lopsided stones which have pictures on them. The ones i mentioned are blue and feature three symbols on them, one of which is a dragon. What they are and why there are some not working is a mystery.

Well, thank you Free Runner for actually answering my questions.

I suppose that dragons were wanted to be put in the game is reasonable, but may I ask if you can post a picture of the "The mysterious stones in The Wilds" because I don't quite remember seeing stones shaped like dragons in The Wilds. Seeing how there are a lot of Dragon references in Prophecies and Factions, you are probably right with the whole "Dragons were originally planned to be a major player" type of idea.

Also, can you post a picture of the mysterious lopsided stones that are "blue and feature three symbols on them," I don't recall ever seeing those as well. Although I probably have and just don't remember.

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Originally Posted by Enagan

""It seems I forgot about that. And its more then just Adelbern and Rurik, the Royal Guards also carry them. Yet another Dragon reference in Ascalon.

You know, there is a limit to how many events that are similar for it still to be "coincidence."""

Hate to burst your bubbles (no I don't) but Rurik's and Adelbern's swords are not fiery dragon swords, they are legendary swords bythe names of Sohothin (Rurik's) and Magdaer (Adelbern's)

You are both right and wrong. They are legendary swords, but they are also Fiery Dragon Swords. So they are Legendary Fiery Dragon Swords, so to speak.

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Originally Posted by some-_1

Perhaps the people of Ascalon saw these Dragons as Demigods maybe?

Don't think that is possible as the Ancient Dragons were supposedly hibernating before the earliest record of humanity (and charr). The Humans have alwaysworshiped the 5 (now 6) gods and never worshiped others as gods (except in a few rare cases like the White Mantle).

Free Runner · Jun 10, 2008, 10:17 PM // 22:17

Actually the blue stone and the stone with a dragon on it are the same thing. They have 3 pictures one of which is a dragon and the others look like symbols that are unknown. Most assume the stones are about Glint and the events of Prophecies however their location is rather random. I'll attempt to get a picture however they are located in the bonus area of The Wilds.

EDIT: Here it is.

Konig Des Todes · Jun 10, 2008, 10:30 PM // 22:30

Ah, ok, I remember that now, I thought the stone was shaped like a dragon, which got me confused. I never really looked at the shapes on those stones before, but I have seen the stones before. Thank you for clarifying them for me.

Kerwyn Nasilan · Jun 15, 2008, 03:55 AM // 03:55

Something to add, wasnt everyones favorite fleshbag born in Ascalon: ROTSCALE! Last time I checked, hes a dragon.